DISCUSSION STARTER 4

Advancing Reconciliation and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples' Rights

This Discussion Starter on Advancing Reconciliation and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples' Rights is part of a broad, inclusive, nation-wide discussion about a better way for Australia than today's market-driven degrading of citizens' rights and the public good.

This discussion process will culminate in a major national conference in Sydney on July 14-15, 2001.

This and other Discussion Starters aim to develop ideas for and interest in the conference, to ensure the most informed and productive level of discussion possible within our resources.

USING THE DISCUSSION STARTER

The project sponsors encourage you to use this Discussion Starter in a group discussion in your locality, community organisation or trade union. If that's not possible, work through the points and questions yourself.

In either case, your feedback on this topic into the discussion process is vital to develop the agenda for the July 2001 conference.

GUIDELINES FOR GROUP DISCUSSION

  1. Select a facilitator and a note-taker for the discussion
  2. All participants should introduce themselves and say what they expect to achieve from the group discussion
  3. Either a guest resource person, or someone in the group, should briefly introduce the first point in the Discussion Starter (5 mins).
  4. In turn, each participant should comment on the discussion point.
  5. At the end of discussion on each point, the facilitator should try to briefly summarise the views expressed, and if agreed, the not-taker should record the summary.
  6. This process should be repeated for each point.
  7. After all points are discussed, participants should be invited to briefly say if their expectations were met.
  8. The summary of the discussion should be returned to Now We The People's Sydney office, by email if possible info@nowwethepeople.org Fax: 02 9211 1407. Post: PO Box K941, Haymarket NSW 1240.
  9. The discussion should be no longer than 90 minutes, and there should be a refreshment break during or at the end of the discussion.

What's happened in 10 years of reconciliation?
The great milestones in the movement for reconciliation during the 1990s are:

  1. Formation of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation - Sept 2, 1991 - one of the recommendations of the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody;
  2. Mabo decision by the High Court recognises Native Title under certain limited conditions - July 1992;
  3. Native Title Act passed in December 1993 amid huge controversy;
  4. Going Forward: Social Justice for the First Australians - submission by the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation based on its first major community consultation - 1995;
  5. Wik decision by the High Court extends Native Title to negotiating rights over pastoral leases - 1996;
  6. Australian Reconciliation Convention, Melbourne, May 26-28, 1997 launches the Peoples Movement;
  7. Bringing Them Home Report of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission National Inquiry into the Separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children from their Families, May 1997. The Howard government fails to respond adequately;
  8. Sorry Day activities, Sea of Hands. Native Title Act amended by Howard's 10 Point Plan to weaken the impact of the Wik judgement - 1998;
  9. Sorry Day actions, Pledge Books, Sea of Hands, consultation on National Documents of Reconciliation - 1999;
  10. Corroboree 2000, presentation of National Documents of Reconciliation, about one million people take part in Walks across the Bridges for reconciliation, presentation of "unfinished business" to Howard government, ATSIC call for a treaty - May - December 2000;
  11. Indigenous performers and culture featured strongly in the Olympics and Paralympics Ceremonies. Cathy Freeman lights the Olympic flame and wins gold in the 400 metres sprint;
  12. Indigneous culture respected in the Centenary of Federation Ceremony in Sydney on January 1, 2001, but studiously ignored by the Prime Minister in his speech.

Discussion

How did the reconciliation debate involve you and / or your organisation?

How did it change your ideas, your attitudes and your life? How do you think the people's movement for reconciliation affected the legal situation through the 1990s?

What would be the best step for a post-Howard government to take on reconciliation?

Would an official monitoring agency have made a difference on implementation of the recommendations of the Aboriginal Deaths in Custody Royal Commission, and could it make a difference on the Bringing Them Home recommendations?

What can be done now to take the reconciliation process forward?

 

What happens after the Reconciliation Council?

At the end of its 10 year term, the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation made the following six recommendations to the Howard government, on how to give effect to the Australian Declaration Towards Reconciliation and the Roadmap for Reconciliation:

  1. The Council of Australian Governments (COAG) agree to implement and monitor a national framework whereby all governments and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) work to overcome Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples' disadvantage through setting program performance benchmarks that are measurable (including timelines), are agreed in partnership with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and communities, and are publicly reported.
  2. All parliaments and local governments pass formal motions of support for the Australian Declaration Towards Reconciliation and the Roadmap for Reconciliation, enshrine their basic principles in appropriate legislation, and determine how their key recommendations can best be implemented in their jurisdictions.
  3. The Commonwealth Parliament prepare legislation for a referendum which seeks to: · recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the first peoples of Australia in a new preamble to the Constitution; and
    · remove section 25 of the Constitution and introduce a new section making it unlawful to adversely discriminate against any people on the grounds of race.
  4. Recognising that the formal reconciliation process over the last decade has achieved much and has helped bring Australians together, all levels of government, non-government, business, peak bodies, communities and individuals commit themselves to continuing the process and sustaining it by:
    · affirming the Australian Declaration Towards Reconciliation and actioning the Roadmap for Reconciliation;
    · providing resources for reconciliation activities and involving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in their work;
    · undertaking educational and public-awareness activities to help improve understanding and relations between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and the wider community; and
    · supporting Reconciliation Australia, the foundation which has been established to maintain a national leadership focus for reconciliation, report on progress, provide information and raise funds to promote and support reconciliation.
  5. Each government and parliament:
    · recognise that this land and its waters were settled as colonies without treaty or consent and that to advance reconciliation it would be most desirable if there were agreements or treaties; and
    · negotiate a process through which this might be achieved that protects the political, legal, cultural and economic position of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
  6. That the Commonwealth Parliament enact legislation (for which the Council has provided a draft) to put in place a process which will unite all Australians by way of an agreement, or treaty, through which unresolved issues of reconciliation can be resolved.

Discussion

Given the big achievement of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation in developing the people's movement, how can we help to have these basic recommendations carried out?

 

Socio-Economic situation

Employment and economic status
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are the most disadvantaged group within Australian society (see table on page 11 for summary).

The official unemployment rate for Indigenous people is an estimated 34 per cent, as against about 8 per cent for the general Australian community. Without ATSIC's Community Development Employment Program (CDEP) scheme, which accounts for approximately one-quarter of Indigenous employment, the rate would be over 50 per cent. Indigenous incomes are approximately two-thirds the Australian average.

Housing
At the 1996 Census, 23 per cent of Indigenous people lived in public housing provided by State and Territory housing authorities, while 10 per cent lived in community housing. Much of this community housing has been provided by ATSIC grants, while some has been provided through the Aboriginal Rental Housing Program administered by State and Territory housing authorities.

According to 1996 Census data, 6.2 per cent of Indigenous households include more than one family, compared with 1.1 per cent of other Australian households. Overcrowding leads to faster deterioration of housing and exacerbates environmental health problems. 64 per cent of Indigenous households are in rental accommodation compared with the overall Australian rate of 24 per cent.

According to 1996 Census figures, an additional 34,527 bedrooms were needed to adequately house Indigenous people compared with a shortfall of 35,205 bedrooms in 1991. However, Australia's Indigenous population increased by 33 per cent between 1991 and 1996.

Poor health is directly linked to unsatisfactory housing and housing related infrastructure. In many areas where substandard housing exists, contaminated drinking and washing water, poor sanitation and unsafe housing are major factors associated with preventable illness and high illness rates.

Education
Educational outcomes for students are still alarmingly low. The 1996 census indicates that only 31% of Indigenous students are completing secondary school, in comparison to 76% of non-Indigenous students. In rural and remote areas, the statistics paint an even more heartbreaking picture. Obviously the flow-on effects are considerable.

It was not until the 1940s that Indigenous children were provided with teachers in government reserves. The Federal Government has provided Indigenous education programs since 1969. The main assistance program, ABSTUDY, is outsourced to Centrelink. ATSI enrolments in higher education were negligible in the late 1960s, but by 1997 had risen to 7,460. Nevertheless, the participation rate is still less than that for other Australians, and Indigenous students' success and retention rates are about 20 per cent lower. From January 1, 2000, ABSTUDY living allowances were made the same as Youth Allowance.

Discussion

What strategies can be developed to improve employment and basic services for indigenous people and their communities?

What do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of the National Strategy to Overcome Disadvantage and for Economic Independence developed by the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation (see page 8)?

Is there a fundamental change of community attitude required even now, before progress can be made at the political level on reconciliation?

Land justice

Who owns the land in Australia?

The top 10 landowners in Australia in 1997
Landowner Area (million hectares)

AMP, Stanbroke Pastoral 12.7
S Kidman & Co 11.6
Elders, Australian Agricultural 6.5
Fosters, NA Pastoral Co 5.7
Hugh MacLachlan 5.0
Packer, Cons Pastoral 4.8
Holmes A'Court, Heytesbury 3.6
McDonald family 3.1
Brian Oxenford 2.3
Prudential Pastoral (UK) 2.0

The top 11 foreign landholders in 1997 owned a total of 5.9 million hectares.
Source: Australian Farm Journal, November 1997.

By 1998, out of Australia's 18 million population, there were only 115,000 farming families, as the bush was depopulated by the pressures of global agricultural markets, interest rates and currency fluctuations, as well as droughts and floods. There were 500,000 farming families in 1939 when Australia had just six million people. These hundreds of thousands of farms were bought up by agribusiness companies and very wealthy people, aided by the banks and "rural reconstruction".

In 1976, the Northern Territory Land Rights Act came into force, and over the next 25 years, significant areas of Crown Land came under inalienable indigenous title. In South Australia significant Crown land areas were transferred back to the Pitjantjatjara and Maralinga Anangu in the 1970s and 1980s. The Tasmanian government decided to transfer certain parcels of land to indigenous ownership in the late 1990s and is currently trying to extend this program. Despite Land Rights legislation in NSW in the 1980s, and Queensland in the 1990s, no significant Crown lands have been transferred in those states. The situation is worse in Western Australia.

To overcome political obstacles and the severe limitations of state land rights acts and the Native Title Act, the Federal Government has supported the Indigenous Land Fund to purchase pastoral leases in Western Australia and New South Wales, to transfer them to indigenous communities.

The Howard government in 1998 reduced the effect of Native Title on pastoral leases, with the Wik amendments. In 1999, it reviewed the NT Land Rights Act, to substantially wind back community control of access to their lands, and to abolish the Northern and Central Land Councils. While some pastoralists and miners have negotiated positive local agreements with indigneous communities and land councils, mining companies and big pastoralists remain the strongest opponents of land rights for indigenous people. Pauline Hanson's One Nation also strongly opposes land rights.

Discussion

What strategies can be pursued to overcome current opposition by miners and pastoralists to land rights for existing indigenous communities, and compensation for stolen land?

What community-based initiatives can help move the process forward?

What media strategy could help overcome prejudice and resistance to just claims for land by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples?

 

Proposal for a Treaty or Agreement

Since British colonization of Australia began in January 1788, and the invasion rolled across Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander lands and waters, there has never been a settlement of the relations between the indigenous peoples of Australia and the new society that was created.

There have been several attempts to develop the framework for such a settlement, agreement or treaty since the 1970s - most notably the proposal for a Makarrata by the National Aboriginal Conference and the Aboriginal Treaty Committee led by Nugget Coombs and Judith Wright between 1979 and 1984; and the Barunga Statement in June 1988 to Prime Minister Bob Hawke. However, agreement could not be reached in the parliament, among indigenous leaders, and in the wider community.

Today, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission is consulting its own constituency about an agreement or treaty, how it could be developed, what its content should be.

At the same time, as we await the outcome of the indigenous consultations, the wider Australian community should also discuss its views about the best way to proceed to have the reconciliation movement lead to a just and lasting settlement. Over the years there have been various proposals about the content and process for a lasting settlement.

One specific proposal was put forward last year by Patrick Dodson in his Wentworth Lecture. He proposed that any agreement should cover: Political representation; Reparations and compensation; Regional agreements; Indigenous regional self-government; Cultural and intellectual property rights; Recognition of customary law; An economic base.

Patrick Dodson also proposed the following process:

That 40 distinguished Australians - twenty from each side - be commissioned to draft a treaty between the Australian government and Aboriginal peoples, with the treaty to be based on the matters raised by the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation's recommendations and other issues conveyed to it as the ongoing causes of discord and division between us. The Australian government is to nominate half the dignitaries and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission to nominate the other half.

An independent Treaty Commission should be established outside the government bureaucracy and resourced appropriately, to assist the negotiating process.

If there is no agreement reached between the Government and Aboriginal negotiators, the Government should put the question of a treaty with Aboriginal people to a referendum.

If there is a positive result from the negotiations or the referendum, the Government should adopt the treaty and legislate to apply its provisions.

History records that the Howard government did not responded positively to this proposal, but that there is strong community support for the concept.

However, since an agreement or treaty requires both sides to agree, nothing can happen that one side does not approve. That is the essence of the concept - both sides must agree before anything really new can happen. This process then should be pursued without fear, except the fear of failure to reach a just and lasting settlement.

Discussion

How do you see a Treaty or Agreement contributing to the affirmation of the basic rights of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of Australia?

What community strategies and government strategies could advance the debate on a treaty or Agreement between the Australian government and the Indigenous peoples?

How do you think a negotiating process for a Treaty or Agreement could get underway?

 

Australian Declaration Towards Reconciliation

We, the peoples of Australia, of many origins as we are, make a commitment to go on together in a spirit of reconciliation.

We value the unique status of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the original owners and custodians of lands and waters.

We recognise this land and its waters were settled as colonies without treaty or consent.

Reaffirming the human rights of all Australians, we respect and recognise continuing customary laws, beliefs and traditions.

Through understanding the spiritual relationship between the land and its first peoples, we share our future and live in harmony.

Our nation must have the courage to own the truth, to heal the wounds of its past so that we can move on together at peace with ourselves.

Reconciliation must live in the hearts and minds of all Australians. Many steps have been taken, many steps remain as we learn our shared histories.

As we walk the journey of healing, one part of the nation apologises and expresses its sorrow and sincere regret for the injustices of the past, so the other part accepts the apologies and forgives.

We desire a future where all Australians enjoy their rights, accept their responsibilities, and have the opportunity to achieve their full potential.

And so, we pledge ourselves to stop injustice, overcome disadvantage, and respect that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have the right to self-determination within the life of the nation.

Our hope is for a united Australia that respects this land of ours; values the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander heritage; and provides justice and equity for all.

Presented at Corroboree 2000 on 27 May 2000 by the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, following extensive consultation with the Australian people.

 

Roadmap for Reconciliation

The National Strategy to Sustain the Reconciliation Process

The National Strategy to Sustain the Reconciliation Process sets out ways to build on progress towards reconciliation between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and the wider community after the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation completes its term.

These measures address practical, cultural and spiritual dimensions of reconciliation.

Essential actions include:

LEADERSHIP FOR THE RECONCILIATION PROCESS
All levels of government, the private sector, community and voluntary organisations publicly support the ongoing reconciliation process, provide resources and increasingly involve Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders in their work.

A foundation, Reconciliation Australia, is established to maintain a national leadership focus for reconciliation, report on progress, provide information and raise funds to promote and support reconciliation activities.

State, Territory and local reconciliation groups, involving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and people from the wider community, lead and support action that promotes reconciliation. Australian parliaments and political parties address the low level of Indigenous representation in the political system.

EDUCATION FOR RECONCILIATION
Schools, tertiary education institutions and employers require and support the culturally appropriate teaching of the truth of Australia's history that includes Indigenous perspectives and addresses racism. Indigenous studies should become a compulsory element of schools curricula at all levels. [ed: this sentence is not in the Council's original document but is very widely supported by Aboriginal and torres Strait Islander people.]

The media feature stories that promote reconciliation and challenge racist stereotyping.

PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT FOR RECONCILIATION
Communities celebrate significant dates and events and take joint action to achieve agreed reconciliation goals.

PROTOCOL AND CEREMONY
All parliaments, governments and organisations observe protocols and negotiate with local Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander elders or representative bodies to include appropriate Indigenous ceremony into official events.

SYMBOLS OF RECONCILIATION
Governments, organisations and communities negotiate to establish and promote symbols of reconciliation. This would include changing the date of Australia Day to a date that includes all Australians.

FORMAL RECOGNITION OF THE DOCUMENTS OF RECONCILIATION
All parliaments and local governments pass formal motions of support for the documents of reconciliation.

THE NATIONAL STRATEGY TO PROMOTE RECOGNITION OF ABORIGINAL AND TORRES STRAIT ISLANDER RIGHTS
This strategy proposes a number of actions, including some constitutional and legislative processes, to assist the progressive resolution of outstanding issues for the recognition and enjoyment of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander rights.

It aims to ensure:
· that all Australians enjoy, in daily life, a fundamental equality of rights, opportunities and acceptance of responsibilities; and
· the status and unique identities of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the first peoples of Australia, and achieve recognition, respect and understanding in the wider community.

Essential actions include:

EDUCATION
Governments and their agencies, legal, cultural and educational institutions, Indigenous organisations, and the media work together to improve community awareness and appreciation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the first peoples with distinct cultures, rights and status.

LEGISLATION
All governments take steps to ensure the recognition and protection of Indigenous intellectual property as already occurs in some Commonwealth legislation.

All governments ensure their policies and practices observe Australia's international Indigenous and human rights obligations.

State and Territory governments consider giving magistrates and judges the discretion to take account of traditional laws in sentencing, as already occurs in some circumstances in the Northern Territory.

Governments establish legislative processes to deal with the 'unfinished business' of reconciliation, allowing for negotiated outcomes on matters such as Indigenous rights, self-determination within the life of the nation, and constitutional reform.

AUSTRALIAN CONSTITUTION
Government agencies, legal institutions and educational organisations develop and promote community awareness about the Constitution and its application in protecting the rights of all Australians.

Within the broader context of future constitutional reform, the Commonwealth Parliament enacts legislation for a referendum which seeks to:
· prepare a new preamble to the Constitution which recognises the status of the first Australians; and
· remove section 25 of the Constitution and introduce a new section making it unlawful to adversely discriminate against any people on the grounds of race.

THE NATIONAL STRATEGY TO OVERCOME DISADVANTAGE
The National Strategy to Overcome Disadvantage aims for a society where Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders enjoy a similar standard of living to that of other Australians, without losing their cultural identity.

This strategy focuses on education, employment, health, housing, law and justice. Priority must be given to achieving comparable outcomes in health and education. Improvement in these areas is critical to advancing reconciliation. It is important that no person is disadvantaged by the inability of governments and service providers to communicate and cooperate in the delivery of services.

Essential actions include:

PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENT AND REPORTING
The Council of Australian Governments (COAG) evaluates and updates its National Commitment to Improved Outcomes in the Delivery of Programs and Services for Aboriginal Peoples and Torres Strait Islanders, agreeing on a framework for all governments and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) to:
· set program performance benchmarks that are measurable, include timelines and are agreed in partnership with Indigenous peoples and communities;
· ensure they have the information systems necessary to monitor performance; and
· annually report their performance to parliaments, councils and their constituents against these benchmarks.

Every five years, the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission works with ATSIC to prepare an independent report on the nation's progress in addressing disadvantage.

PARTNERSHIPS AND WORKING ARRANGEMENTS
Peak business and community groups make commitments to overcome disadvantage, and encourage their members to make similar commitments.

Services are designed and delivered in a way that is driven by local Indigenous people, strengthens local communities, and forges social coalitions and equal partnerships, drawing on and building the skills and resources of the community.

Service providers, ATSIC and governments identify and eliminate systemic discrimination and racism, beginning with a review of their own practices.

Governments adopt funding arrangements that are flexible and sufficient to meet local needs, and enable the pooling of funds across agencies and between the different levels of government.

Employers link performance-based salaries in all sectors to improvements in Indigenous outcomes, where appropriate

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COMMUNITY AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
Indigenous communities, families and individuals take more responsibility for addressing the causes and consequences of disadvantage within their control.

All Australians accept the responsibility to learn more about the causes and extent of disadvantage and reject racism and related behaviour.

THE NATIONAL STRATEGY FOR ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE
The National Strategy for Economic Independence aims for a society where Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and communities can share the same levels of economic independence as the wider community.

For most Australians, pathways to economic independence include getting a job and/or running a business. In both of these cases, an education substantially improves the likelihood of success.

This strategy is not for everyone. For some, economic independence will be defined in terms of their traditional economy and lifestyle.
Essential actions include:

ACCESS TO JOBS AND RESOURCES
All employers establish strategies for employing and training more Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders.

Banks and other financial institutions actively adopt culturally-responsive banking and financing regimes and facilitate better access to capital.

Governments increase the value of Indigenous assets by legislating for Indigenous intellectual property and cultural rights and by working in partnership with Indigenous communities to protect biodiversity and rehabilitate and sustain lands and waters under the control of those communities.

EFFECTIVE BUSINESS PRACTICES
Indigenous people and communities develop their existing competitive advantages in respect of their cultural assets and special knowledge of the land and the environment.

Governments, ATSIC, and the private sector all research and develop successful business models that can be applied in regional and remote communities.

Priority should be given to developing commercial activities on Indigenous-owned land. Private-sector organisations seek opportunities for joint ventures with Indigenous businesses. Governments promote such joint ventures.

Governments and industry work in partnership with Indigenous communities to ensure their projects strengthen Indigenous communities by supporting the local economy and enhancing regional employment opportunities.

SKILLS DEVELOPMENT
Schools, TAFEs, universities and other education providers, working with families, develop and implement flexible programs to improve student attendance, retention rates, academic results and career pathways.

TAFEs and other vocational education providers target their programs to the employment opportunities in the local labour market, aiming for available jobs or business opportunities on the completion of training programs and schemes.

With local community involvement, education providers, banks and other financial institutions develop money-management programs that increase the capacity of people to plan, save and invest in their future.

Indigenous leaders actively encourage their people to equip themselves with the skills, knowledge and experiences that are valued in the local employment market.

Developed by the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation and presented at Corroboree 2000, May 2000.

Statistics of social and economic well-being National Indicators All Australians Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Life

Life Expectancy at birth
All Australians
Males: 75.2 years
Females: 81.1 years

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
Males: 56.9
Females: 61.7

Prevalence of Diabetes per 100,000
All Australians
males: 36.7
females:38.8

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
Males: 70 -88
Females: 70 - 116

Imprisonment rate per 100,000 adults
All Australians
135

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
1625

Home ownership rate
All Australians
71%

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
31%

Year 12 retention rate
All Australians
74%

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
30%

Post School Qualifications
All Australians
34%

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
14%

Average unemployment rate
All Australians
7.5%

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
34%

Average Annual Income
All Australians
$ 22,500

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders
$ 14,300

Source: Council for Aboriginal
Reconciliation Discussion Paper, 1999

www.austlii.edu.au/au/orgs/car/
overcoming_disadvantage/pg7.htm